Oral History Interviews of the Janesville Bicentennial Labor Oral History Project, 1976-1977

Container Title
Series: John S. Scott, Jr.
Note: 648 West Delavan Drive, Janesville
1976 August 24
Tape/Side   16/1-A
Time   0:00 to 0:25
Introduction
Tape/Side   16/1-A
Time   0:26 to 6:40
Family background--mother born in Illinois, father in Indiana--family lived in Coweta, Oklahoma--father as a drayman and farmer
Tape/Side   16/1-A
Time   6:41 to 17:15
Coweta--Scott family one of few with northern background--Scotts as a black family in Coweta, got along with whites and Indians--recollection of Indian pow-wow in June--feasts for the dead--lodges and churches
Tape/Side   16/1-A
Time   17:16 to 24:56
Segregated schools in Coweta--county exams, black students graded low--nearest black high schools at Tulsa and Muskogee--Indians attended white schools
Tape/Side   16/1-A
Time   24:57 to 27:37
Scotts lost home in Coweta--Dr. Carter
Tape/Side   16/1-A
Time   27:37 to 29:32
Family religious background--father offended by church-going hypocrites
Tape/Side   16/1-B
Time   0:00 to 4:35
Family political background--parents “working the poll tax”--no voting rights for blacks in Waggoner County, Oklahoma--awareness of voting as power--use of the term “colored”
Tape/Side   16/1-B
Time   4:36 to 10:26
Little sense of class--no library in Coweta's black school--throw-away books and crayons--other school problems
Tape/Side   16/1-B
Time   10:27 to 15:49
Parents did not compare Coweta with Indiana or Illinois--no reaction against segregation--spiking tops on the playground--J. S. wanted to be a doctor
Tape/Side   16/1-B
Time   15:50 to 25:08
J. S. and the railroads, hired by the Pullman Co.--move to Chicago--hitchhiking, driving for drummers--fourteen year-old hobo out of Coweta, left home in Coweta hoping to be able to go to high school, no opportunity available--ranged over the whole country during early Depression years, welcomed back home by father
Tape/Side   16/1-B
Time   25:09 to 30:14
Riding the freight trains, living in hobo jungles--the workhouses--dodging the railroad dicks--states to stay out of
Tape/Side   16/2-A
Time   0:00 to 0:10
Introduction
Tape/Side   16/2-A
Time   0:10 to 10:15
Women in hobo jungles--protection--more on evading railroads dicks--hoboing in cold weather--comment on Grapes of Wrath--J. S. as the “youngest bum”--boarding trains
Tape/Side   16/2-A
Time   10:16 to 17:06
Railroad men helped hobos evade railroad dicks--hitching-hiking and riding rails--law enforcement and hobos--help from churches in Chicago--Pilgrim Baptist Church, later when working for Pullman
Tape/Side   16/2-A
Time   17:07 to 21:42
Hardships in Chicago, before being hired by Pullman--beginning with Pullman--too much travel with Pullman--then a waiter with the Chicago and Northwestern
Tape/Side   16/2-A
Time   21:43 to 28:53
Member of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters--strikebreakers and the grocery store--fights with winos during strikes, J. S. has scar from such a fight--during stockyards strikes
Tape/Side   16/2-B
Time   0:00 to 2:25
Comments on Sleeping Car Porters leadership--respect for A. Philip Randolph
Tape/Side   16/2-B
Time   2:26 to 8:40
Service on the “Dakota 400” and the “Merry-go-round”--fellow dining car workers--leaving the Chicago and Northwestern in 1948, no more troop trains
Tape/Side   16/2-B
Time   8:41 to 12:55
Looking for a home in Wisconsin--problem in Chicago school--need to be home more--fears of Chicago
Tape/Side   16/2-B
Time   12:56 to 14:56
Visiting in Janesville--unaware of the absence of blacks--attended First Baptist Church
Tape/Side   16/2-B
Time   14:57 to 19:37
Primarily worked on troop trains with the Chicago and Northwestern, the “Challenger” comments on passenger service--late-running passenger trains
Tape/Side   16/2-B
Time   19:38 to 25:23
Finding a home in Janesville--getting approval from the “Good Neighborhood Association”--overview of working experience--coal from Hill's Coalyard
Tape/Side   16/2-B
Time   25:24 to 29:19
J. S. had to buy a home in Janesville--no rentals to blacks, lost room at Milton Hotel, finally got a room at 104 S. Locust--deal for present home--decided to stay in Janesville after retirement
1976 September 9
Tape/Side   20/1-A
Time   0:00 to 0:15
Introduction
Tape/Side   20/1-A
Time   0:16 to 5:55
Decision to move to Janesville--Chicago overcrowded--suggestion from couple on train, gift of money
Tape/Side   20/1-A
Time   5:56 to 8:32
More on finding a house in Janesville--visiting Wilson School--few other black families--ability to get along with whites
Tape/Side   20/1-A
Time   8:33 to 16:15
Work at Janesville Country Club, low pay--job with Chicago and Northwestern at South Janesville--keeping track clear
Tape/Side   20/1-A
Time   16:16 to 28:56
Backgrounds of fellow workers at South Janesville yard--work as a carman, repairing cars--use of American Ass'n of Railroads rulebook--inspection and care of freight cars--flat spots on wheels
Tape/Side   20/1-B
Time   0:00 to 3:30
J. S. as member of Brotherhood of Railroad Carmen--comments on fellow workers
Tape/Side   20/1-B
Time   3:31 to 5:31
Reason for freight train priority over passenger trains
Tape/Side   20/1-B
Time   5:32 to 8:17
No recollection of discrimination from Chicago and Northwestern--acquaintance with manager, Mr. Lightheiser--switchman as desirable job
Tape/Side   20/1-B
Time   8:18 to 13:30
Living in Janesville--member of First Baptist Church--wife asked to join choir--J. S. as usher captain--getting acquainted
Tape/Side   20/1-B
Time   13:31 to 16:06.
The Scott children and Janesville's schools--story about daughter Sandra--note about African forefathers
Tape/Side   20/1-B
Time   16:07 to 17:55
Availability of public facilities
Tape/Side   20/1-B
Time   17:56 to 24:38
Discrimination at local tavern, support from a friend--served at Isabel's that night--other minority residents in Janesville, Dr. Nino and the Lopez family
Tape/Side   20/1-B
Time   24:39 to 26:29
Other black people in Janesville--George Davis and the city body shop--Ike Williams family--Stud Wilson
Tape/Side   20/1-B
Time   26:30 to 27:55
Little contact with Beloit black community until J. S. worked at Beloit Iron Works and joined the Kennedy Lodge
Tape/Side   20/2-A
Time   0:00 to 0:10
Introduction
Tape/Side   20/2-A
Time   0:11 to 3:53
The Al Beck story, dismissed from GM because of race, Beck did not appeal
Tape/Side   20/2-A
Time   3:54 to 6:54
Timing of Al Beck's firing--importance of his fair-skinned appearance--Beck Working at Chrysler today
Tape/Side   20/2-A
Time   6:55 to 10:15
J. S. getting a job at GM--assistance from a Mason friend--J. S. once assisted a white Mason
Tape/Side   20/2-A
Time   10:16 to 17:32
S. Janesville yard closed down--work in Chicago and Beloit--pay discrimination at Beloit Iron Works, bad treatment there--then work at Clinton, Iowa yard with Chicago and Northwestern
Tape/Side   20/2-A
Time   17:32 to 21:12
Then received call from Fisher Auto Body--worked through Paul Meicher in public relations office--Tom Jeffries as personnel director then
Tape/Side   20/2-A
Time   21:13 to 25:38
J. S. “knew the score”--allegations of discriminative clause in local union contract--no hard evidence--Elmer Yenney refused J. S. a copy of the contract, prior to J. S.'s hiring by Fisher
Tape/Side   20/2-A
Time   25:38 to 29:03
Conversation with Local 95 official, no follow-up--J. S. insulted in conversation with Elmer Yenney, J. S. characterized as “another Paul Robeson”
Tape/Side   20/2-B
Time   0:00 to 6:40
Self-restraint in face of insult, spiritual influence--J. S. reluctant to force issue--Yenney died shortly before J. S. was hired--J. S. in Clinton at time of his hiring by Fisher
Tape/Side   20/2-B
Time   6:41 to 17:46
“Robeson” comment taken as Communist slur--recollection of meeting Blue Jenkins from Racine, labor leader there--Jenkins took J. S.'s Gazette clippings relative to job discrimination, letters to editor--experience fishing near Fort Atkinson--Jenkins failed to return clippings--Jenkins asked about hiring at GM, several years prior to hiring of J. S., no mention of Beck case
Tape/Side   20/2-B
Time   17:47 to 21:11
Nature of J. S.'s work at Fisher--started at straight pay due to proficiency
Tape/Side   20/2-B
Time   21:12 to 28:12
Attitudes of fellow workers--new job, steaming headliners--problem of depleted stock at beginning of shift and cut steam hose, harassment--pressure for working early to set up job