Oral History Interviews of the Janesville Bicentennial Labor Oral History Project, 1976-1977

Container Title
Series: James V. (Jack) Johnston
Note: 1702 Tamarack Lane, Janesville
1976 August 24
Tape/Side   17/1-A
Time   0:00 to 0:25
Introduction
Tape/Side   17/1-A
Time   0:26 to 7:46
Family background--father as a teamster--parents emigrated from British Isles to Chicago--move to Fontana, Wis., father worked as butcher--mother's health
Tape/Side   17/1-A
Time   7:47 to 12:32
Family politics, Republican, J. J. as only Democrat--weeding onions during the Depression--J. J. voted for Al Smith
Tape/Side   17/1-A
Time   12:33 to 19:52
Family religious background--parents had no desire to visit ancestral lands--J. J. opposed to Prohibition
Tape/Side   17/1-A
Time   19:53 to 22:47
Class awareness not strong--family got by, never on relief--carpentry in spare time
Tape/Side   17/1-A
Time   22:48 to 26:58
Growing up in Fontana--recreation--cutting ice on Lake Geneva
Tape/Side   17/1-A
Time   26:59 to 29:39
Schools in Walworth--vocational school
Tape/Side   17/1-B
Time   0:00 to 3:00
J. J. looked for something different in life--variety of jobs at Fisher--welding, jig shop
Tape/Side   17/1-B
Time   3:01 to 8:37
Leaving high school--work for power company--didn't finish high school--nothing about labor movement in schools--J. J. proposed river front parking lot in Janesville
Tape/Side   17/1-B
Time   8:38 to 12:46
Father's attitude toward organized labor--influence of Clayton Orcutt in getting J. J. job at Fisher
Tape/Side   17/1-B
Time   12:47 to 15:32
More on power company work, enjoyed working out-of-doors
Tape/Side   17/1-B
Time   15:33 to 19:03
Going to work at Fisher--previous interest in cars--reaction against inside work--work on Big Foot Country Club course--selling bakery ovens
Tape/Side   17/1-B
Time   19:04 to 22:29
More on reaction to inside work--frequent job changes at Fisher--J. J. one of youngest Fisher workers
Tape/Side   17/1-B
Time   22:30 to 29:40
Door hanging as first Fisher job, skilled job at that time, not so today--changes in door hanging work, end of wood work
Tape/Side   17/2-A
Time   0:00 to 0:10
Introduction
Tape/Side   17/2-A
Time   0:11 to 5:16
Problems for doorhangers, correcting defective parts--no allowance for individual differences on the line, speedup--piece work system
Tape/Side   17/2-A
Time   5:17 to 7:42
Need to set a line speed that workers could sustain for a long time
Tape/Side   17/2-A
Time   7:43 to 13:09
More on piece work system--J. J. left Fisher after 8 months, felt tied down--returned to Fisher because it was a steady job--moving from job to job in the plant, useful later in organizing
Tape/Side   17/2-A
Time   13:10 to 26:40
J. J. as a foreman, quit that job because he didn't want to drive the workers--his department first to drop piece work--J. J. saw need to work out problems between workers and management--information from people in the front office--more on supervisory work
Tape/Side   17/2-A
Time   26:41 to 30:51
Fisher work force in the 1920s--most from Wisconsin, large percentage off farms--good laborers
Tape/Side   17/2-B
Time   0:00 to 3:15
Very few Fisher workers from Chicago or Milwaukee--possible influence of plant manager Markham
Tape/Side   17/2-B
Time   3:16 to 9:21
Further comments on the work force--no distinctive ethnic character, also for the door hanging area--workers with speech and hearing impediments from the Delavan School
Tape/Side   17/2-B
Time   9:22 to 11:22
Workers scattered residentially throughout several Janesville neighborhoods
Tape/Side   17/2-B
Time   11:23 to 14:43
Worker reaction to unions prior to 1933--comment on industrial unions--impossible to organize Fisher plant along craft lines
Tape/Side   17/2-B
Time   14:44 to 19:54
Friends of J. J. in early years who later became active in the union. Still in contact with some of them--the radicals--desire of union members to avoid trouble
Tape/Side   17/2-B
Time   19:55 to 24:25
Weeding out the Pinkerton men hired as company spies--J. J. confronted company on spies--dealt with Eddie Butler on these cases--one of Pinkertons used the name of Herb Lilla
1976 September 2
Tape/Side   19/1-A
Time   0:00 to 0:15
Introduction
Tape/Side   19/1-A
Time   0:16 to 6:00
J. J.'s political attitudes--moved away from family Republicanism--positive reaction to the La Follettes--first Wisconsin unemployment check
Tape/Side   19/1-A
Time   6:01 to 8:26
Extent of J. J.'s political activity--attitude toward free enterprise capitalism
Tape/Side   19/1-A
Time   8:27 to 11:47
Work problems at Fisher--problem with ordering a car at smaller dealer, Dickhoff in Milton
Tape/Side   19/1-A
Time   11:48 to 23:58
Elimination of company savings plan in 1934--worker reaction to that event--J. J. suspected that action was anti-union in purpose
Tape/Side   19/1-A
Time   23:59 to 2755
Plant managers as distant figures in the early years--being away from family
Tape/Side   19/1-A
Time   27:56 to 29:10
More on being away from family as result of union activity
Tape/Side   19/1-B
Time   0:00 to 9:50
Difficulty sending union representatives to conventions--fellow workers with whom J. J. socialized--get-togethers with the officers--early “victory” party
Tape/Side   19/1-B
Time   9:51 to 18:31
Membership in Oddfellows, quit after union involvement--importance of lodge and church affiliations--Janesville as “lily-white” town--J. J.'s reaction to the absence of black people in Janesville
Tape/Side   19/1-B
Time   18:32 to 21:17
Location of J. J.'s Janesville residences--uncertainty during World War II--commuting from Rock River home to GM
Tape/Side   19/1-B
Time   21:18 to 24:48
Nature of Janesville neighborhood--other GM workers and UAW members in that neighborhood--paying back relief money
Tape/Side   19/1-B
Time   24:49 to 27:29
More on Oddfellows--fellow union members who were also Oddfellows--getting a boost through lodges
Tape/Side   19/1-B
Time   27:30 to 29:55
Brief period working in Kansas City--also worked in Oakland during the Depression at Ford and GM
Tape/Side   19/2-A
Time   0:00 to 0:10
Introduction
Tape/Side   19/2-A
Time   0:11 to 2:55
J. J. returned to Janesville in the fall of 1933, saw union coming then, “people won't be held down”--plumbers card incident in Pittsburgh in 1924--J. J. waited for opportunity to join a labor union
Tape/Side   19/2-A
Time   2:56 to 9:18
J. J. observed early organizing efforts in Oakland, influenced by that experience--anxious to get involved
Tape/Side   19/2-A
Time   9:19 to 14:14
Recollection of first Janesville UAW meeting at the Lien Garage--current location of that building--union card numbers not in order--relationship to Waldo Luchsinger and Lou Adkins--union drew people together
Tape/Side   19/2-A
Time   14:15 to 17:07
Nature of work after return to Janesville in 1933--metal finishing and welding--the work of the metal finisher
Tape/Side   19/2-A
Time   17:08 to 22:58
J. J.'s early involvement with the UAW in Janesville--first mass meeting at the Beverly Theater--comments on pensions
Tape/Side   19/2-A
Time   22:59 to 27:19
Further comments on J. J.'s early union activity--more on first meeting at Lien Garage, small group--many fearful for jobs early--organizing accomplished by local people, different from Oakland
Tape/Side   19/2-A
Time   27:20 to 30:22
Early members from the body shop--recruiting on the sly
Tape/Side   19/2-B
Time   0:00 to 2:50
Recruiting in the plant, against company rules--most members signed up in plant
Tape/Side   19/2-B
Time   2:51 to 14:00
Fear as an impediment to organizing--the GM Alliance, weak effort--limits on organizing activities in the plant--body shop hard to organize--need to control violence--UAW as most democratic union
Tape/Side   19/2-B
Time   14:01 to 21:21
Auto workers needed the CIO, workers bound together only by need to organize, no ethnic or religious bonds--early union members tended to be the more experienced GM workers--older workers as more reluctant to join-local UAW leaders from Janesville
Tape/Side   19/2-B
Time   21:22 to 23:58
Small town and farm people as harder to organize--most workers as unsophisticated and untravelled--J. J. had wider range of experience than most
Tape/Side   19/2-B
Time   23:59 to 26:24
Politics of early members, not overwhelmingly Democratic at that time, became so before long
1976 September 16
Tape/Side   22/1-A
Time   0:00 to 0:12
Introduction
Tape/Side   22/1-A
Time   0:13 to 11:58
Grievances concerning work load--setting a pace--impact of piece work system--wages as secondary grievance--hiring and firing system as key grievance--health hazards, particles in the air
Tape/Side   22/1-A
Time   11:59 to-16:39
Dealing with health hazards--union had called in state health inspectors very early--fumes in the paint department
Tape/Side   22/1-A
Time   16:40 to 22:08
Company reaction to early organizing efforts--recollection of firings for organizing activities--city hurt by strikes
Tape/Side   22/1-A
Time   22:09 to 28:56
J. J. as a GM Alliance committeeman--recalls Alliance committee meetings with management--Alliance folded in six months
Tape/Side   22/1-B
Time   0:00 to 2:25
Violence held to a minimum--no personal knowledge of violence or sabotage
Tape/Side   22/1-B
Time   2:25 to 6:33
Pressuring workers in UAW membership, very infrequent--cold shoulder treatment--working with reluctant members
Tape/Side   22/1-B
Time   6:34 to 8:39
J. J. leaned toward the CIO--dissension resulting from AFL-CIO split
Tape/Side   22/1-B
Time   8:40 to 17:35
AFL v. CIO--Wes Van Horn's support for AFL--persistent support for AFL in Janesville--J. J. leaned toward CIO, but not militant--no desire for union job
Tape/Side   22/1-B
Time   17:36 to 23:31
Bylaws and constitution for Local 95--need to bring young members into leadership--working on the bylaws
Tape/Side   22/1-B
Time   23:32 to 29:17
Little reading and studying about unions in early years--reaction to John L. Lewis, Homer Martin--Janesville isolated from mainstream of union activity--Dave Sigman and the organization of Parker Pen
Tape/Side   22/2-A
Time   0:00 to 0:12
Introduction
Tape/Side   22/2-A
Time   0:13 to 4:41
Local 95 and organization of Parker Pen--other Local 95 efforts to assist other unions--organizing effort in Fort Atkinson
Tape/Side   22/2-A
Time   4:42 to 14:27
Janesville community reaction to UAW--attitude toward Vietnam War--different attitudes of retirees and young workers--no feeling of isolation in Janesville
Tape/Side   22/2-A
Time   14:28 to 27:10
J. J. as a union officer--offices not generally sought after--relationship between J. J. and Wes Van Horn-union officers not usually well-acquainted previously--more socializing now than in early years
Tape/Side   22/2-A
Time   27:11 to 28:13
Development of social relations
Tape/Side   22/2-B
Time   0:00 to 6:30
The significance of wearing union buttons--buttons disallowed in first contract--plant manager wore a Landon button in 1936
Tape/Side   22/2-B
Time   6:31 to 15:00
The sitdown strike of 1937--planning--J. J. and Wes Van Horn pulled the switches--meeting with management--supervisors allowed to pass through picket lines--providing food for the strikers
Tape/Side   22/2-B
Time   15:01 to 20:26
Further comments on planning the sitdown--imponderables--strike vote--role of the international in calling the strike
Tape/Side   22/2-B
Time   20:27 to 32:12
Happenings at the time of the sitdown, many left plant, fifty percent sitdown--strike vote meeting well-attended, little opposition to strike from members--Homer Martin scheduled to speak, called back to Detroit--J. J.'s comments on the legality of the strike
1976 September 21
Tape/Side   23/1-A
Time   0:00 to 0:15
Introduction
Tape/Side   23/1-A
Time   0:16 to 2:52
More on the sitdown strike of 1937--trim shop as militant--strike carried off smoothly
Tape/Side   23/1-A
Time   2:53 to 4:00
Education efforts
Tape/Side   23/1-A
Time   4:01 to 6:47
Setting the strike--positions during the sitdown, desire to prevent trouble
Tape/Side   23/1-A
Time   6:48 to 15:58
Meeting in City Manager's office--Traxler's role--brief meeting--sheriff's office
Tape/Side   23/1-A
Time   15:59 to 24:15
After the agreement was announced--strike activities after the sitdown ended--daily meetings--difference between radical and militant
Tape/Side   23/1-A
Time   24:16 to 25:46
Going back to work--seniority as key gain
Tape/Side   23/1-A
Time   25:47 to 29:27
Wildcat strikes during 1937--front window vent group on strike--manpower problem
Tape/Side   23/1-B
Time   0:00 to 3:05
Relief time problem
Tape/Side   23/1-B
Time   3:06 to 6:51
Relationship between locals 121 and 95--J. J.'s knowledge of people on Chevy side
Tape/Side   23/1-B
Time   6:52 to 13:47
Membership growth after the sitdown--pride in accomplishments of Local 95--Christmas baskets--seasonal layoffs
Tape/Side   23/1-B
Time   13:48 to 15:23
Credit from merchants during the strike
Tape/Side   23/1-B
Time   15:24 to 22:09
AFL and CIO affiliations--J. J. support for industrial union concept--failure to buy old post office, AFL insisted on control by one union, one vote principle
Tape/Side   23/1-B
Time   22:10 to 24:48
Chevrolet purchased old UAW building on Jackson Street--95 bought Lutheran school on Academy Street
Tape/Side   23/1-B
Time   24:49 to 30:00
UAW and the Janesville Labor Council--J. J. unaware of AFL resentment of moonlighting by UAW workers
Tape/Side   23/2-A
Time   0:00 to 0:10
Introduction
Tape/Side   23/2-A
Time   0:11 to 7:53
Transition from AFL to CIO--fear of losing dues money delayed decision--few CIO organizers in Janesville--desire for unity in Local 95--factionalism
Tape/Side   23/2-A
Time   7:54 to 18:32
J. J. as early CIO supporter--many members quiet regarding AFL and CIO, although the issue was of general concern to members
Tape/Side   23/2-A
Time   18:33 to 19:18
Homer Martin scheduled to come to Janesville
Tape/Side   23/2-A
Time   19:19 to 24:49
J. J.'s knowledge of the positions of several Local 95 members on the AFL-CIO split--John Goetzinger, Dick Halford, John Goethe, Lars and John Johannson, Jake Vorath
Tape/Side   23/2-A
Time   24:50 to 28:08
Dropping of GM savings plan--GM control
Tape/Side   23/2-B
Time   0:00 to 3:28
UAW in local politics, UAW members on the City Council, Mark Egbert and Harry Johnson
Tape/Side   23/2-B
Time   3:29 to 7:05.
J. J.'s recollection of effort to oust Lou Adkins from Local 95, led by Wes Van Horn
Tape/Side   23/2-B
Time   7:06 to 10:11
J. J. during World War II--not an officer then, need for younger officers, concern about factionalism within Local 95--work in inspection department, then tool and die
Tape/Side   23/2-B
Time   10:12 to 16:52
J. J. called in to talk with FBI agent--asked about Communists in the union, J. J. knew of none--FBI agent only concerned about those specifically members of Communist Party--different type of people in Janesville
Tape/Side   23/2-B
Time   16:53 to 19:27
Ringling Circus incident--auto raffle--J. J. missed the elephant charge
Tape/Side   23/2-B
Time   19:28 to 22:23
Concluding remarks--development of the UAW as inevitable