Oral History Interviews of the Janesville Bicentennial Labor Oral History Project, 1976-1977

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Series: Glenn Swinbank
Note: 1514 Greenview Avenue, Janesville
Session I, September 23, 1976
Reel/Side   24/1-A
Time   0:00 to 0:32
Introduction, Mrs. Swinbank sat in on this session and occasionally contributed her comments
Reel/Side   24/1-A
Time   0:33 to 3:17
Family background in New Diggings, southwestern Wisconsin--comments concerning grandparents--father a barber, mother a music teacher
Reel/Side   24/1-A
Time   3:18 to 4:28
New Diggings rough--G. S. and John Carter who also became a leader in Local 121 at Chevrolet as members of first New Diggings high school class
Reel/Side   24/1-A
Time   4:29 to 7:00
Family ethnic background--religious background, mother as primitive Methodist, father unaffiliated--father as Republican
Reel/Side   24/1-A
Time   7:00 to 14:40
Schooling in New Diggings--ethnic groups in New Diggings--more on the town's rough character--high school years--recreation--G. S. aversion to mines--background on John Carter--slight knowledge of unions
Reel/Side   24/1-A
Time   14:41 to 16:57
Swinbanks as middle class, little class consciousness--more on mines
Reel/Side   24/1-A
Time   16:58 to 22:24
G. S. came to Janesville in 1928--others from New Diggings before, John Carter came before G. S.--easy to get GM job then--Chevrolet did not recruit
Reel/Side   24/1-A
Time   22:25 to 25:20
Getting a job--stayed in rooming house, met wife there--the bull pen--hired by Clayton Orcutt, conversation with Orcutt
Reel/Side   24/1-A
Time   25:21 to 29:03
First job on fenders--second job--piece work system--old vacuum fuel system
Reel/Side   24/1-B
Time   0:00 to 5:08
Work on steering column and floorboard in 1929--no breaks--unpredictable hours--putting on tires as backbreaking job, with John Carter
Reel/Side   24/1-B
Time   5:09 to 7:24
Reaction to assembly line work
Reel/Side   24/1-B
Time   7:25 to 11:31
Backgrounds of workers--nearly half from Janesville and surrounding towns--many from northern Wisconsin--mixed ethnically
Reel/Side   24/1-B
Time   11:32 to 17:27
Fellow workers who later became active in the union--early knowledge of Elmer Yenney, Mark Egbert and other leaders of Local 121--little union talk prior to 1933--laid off railroad workers worked at Chevrolet, recommended union, John Kaufman, they later returned to railroad
Reel/Side   24/1-B
Time   17:28 to 24:43
Relations with foremen--Frank Shuler as tough production manager--plant managers as remote--Fitzpatrick as hard plant manager--G. S. had no desire to be foreman, refused opportunity--foremen as younger men
Reel/Side   24/1-B
Time   24:44 to 28:14
Attitude toward work, pride--pushed too hard by management--general resentment against work overload
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   0:00 to 0:10
Introduction
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   0:11 to 3:29
Attitude toward capitalism--GM not giant company at that time, understood need to establish company--savings system prior to 1933
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   3:30 to 5:22
World Fair workers in 1933--no work for G. S. in 1933, plant closed, used savings
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   5:23 to 10:08
G. S.'s political attitudes--voted for Hoover in 1928, confirmed Democrat thereafter--vague about AFL in early years--recollection of the GM Alliance--200 plus stayed in Chevrolet plant during the sitdown of 1937
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   10:09 to 11:04
Little socializing among workers, no time
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   11:05 to 13:23
First organizing efforts in Fisher plant--early organizers--G. S. succeeded John Kaufman as recording secretary
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   13:24 to 18:27
Early meetings, topics of discussion--Elmer Yenney's father a railroad man in Iowa--Yenney and Joe Knipschield as effective speakers--G. S. as secretary
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   18:28 to 22:23
Grievances--recollection of AFL federal local as first GM union in Janesville--switch to the CIO
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   22:24 to 27:02
G. S.'s reasons for joining union, need for change--firings for soliciting union members in plant--Fisher workers pushed harder for union
Reel/Side   24/2-A
Time   27:03 to 30:13
Workers at 1933 World's Fair--Harry Johnson and Elmer Yenney as workers at the Fair in Chicago--impact of the National Industrial Relations Act--Fisher organizers assisted Chevrolet union members
Reel/Side   24/2-B
Time   0:00 to 1:15
Early recruiters for Local 121--value of members in maintenance department
Reel/Side   24/2-B
Time   1:16 to 5:02
Best organized departments--Joe Knipschield in paint department--outlying departments difficult to organize--GM homeowners
Reel/Side   24/2-B
Time   5:03 to 8:47
Older men harder to organize--assembly line workers easy to organize--other factors made little difference
Reel/Side   24/2-B
Time   8:48 to 14:43
Company reaction to early organizing efforts--Loyal or GM Alliance of anti-union workers, fizzled--G. S. persuaded Floyd Mabie, Alliance leader to join the union, picketed his house--no “roughhouse”--Alliance members
Reel/Side   24/2-B
Time   14:44 to 18:04
Company espionage--Jimmy Hill as company spy in the maintenance department--Hill as a Pinkerton--effort to contact him in Chicago--local stool pigeons
Reel/Side   24/2-B
Time   18:05 to 19:45
Firings of union members, Eddie Flood as the first--G. S. encounter with manager Shuler
Reel/Side   24/2-B
Time   19:46 to 24:10
Community reaction to union--story about G. S. and a bill at Rayberg's store--Labor Day parade, G. S. got permit for first parade from Henry Traxler, company spied on parade
Reel/Side   24/2-B
Time   24:11 to 27:56
No supportive local politicians--Traxler as fair city manager--no support from churches--support from local merchants, City Meat Shop, grocery stores and taverns
Session II, September 30, 1976
Reel/Side   25/1-A
Time   0:00 to 0:25
Introduction
Reel/Side   25/1-A
Time   0:26 to 1:34
Many people left New Diggings during the 1920s due to the closing of the mines
Reel/Side   25/1-A
Time   1:35 to 6:47
Sources of information on unions--influence of those who worked at the 1933 World's Fair--reliance on Elmer Yenney for information--the Gazette--the Capital Times--the public library
Reel/Side   25/1-A
Time   6:48 to 13:18
The sitdown strike of 1937--incident between Manager Fitzpatrick and Dick Wagner--Fitzpatrick, Sheriff Croake and the crowd in the plant lobby--Joe Knipschield stopping the railroad cars
Reel/Side   25/1-A
Time   13:19 to 22:34
Planning the strike--executive board meeting--relationship between Local 121 and the international--dues-paying membership--assistance from merchants--desire to avoid trouble--surge of new members after sitdown, Alliance ceased functioning
Reel/Side   25/1-A
Time   22:35 to 28:35
Strike vote in December, 1936--firings before strike--difficult to move around plant--opposition from strike from members timing of strike--Shuler's comments on morning of the strike
Reel/Side   25/1-A
Time   28:36 to 31:11
Local 121 and the international--activities after the sitdown
Reel/Side   25/1-B
Time   0:00 to 1:15
Attitude toward post-strike members--some strong members from the Alliance
Reel/Side   25/1-B
Time   1:16 to 5:51
Sheriff Croake's role, recommended that GM agree to shut down--parts department continued to operate during strike
Reel/Side   25/1-B
Time   5:52 to 8:57
Shuler firing people--actions of supervisors during the strike--bargaining committee to negotiate settlement
Reel/Side   25/1-B
Time   8:58 to 12:23
G. S.'s actions during the strike, after the shutdown, signing up new members--groups from outlying towns--activities at Local 121 office--bargaining committee
Reel/Side   25/1-B
Time   12:24 to 18:00
Comments on the agreement--management as somewhat more cooperative--Shuler stripped of right to hire and fire--strike as “make or break” effort
Reel/Side   25/1-B
Time   18:01 to 24:01
The button dispute--button day, later in 1937--community reaction to union--story about Local 121 buying old school near plant, company opposed, assistance from City Council and Henry Traxler
Reel/Side   25/1-B
Time   24:01 to 27:37
Comments on time study--Stanley Judd as time study man
Reel/Side   25/2-A
Time   0:00 to 0:10
Introduction
Reel/Side   25/2-A
Time   0:11 to 10:00
Wildcat strikes in 1937 after the “Big Strike”--general spirit of militancy--emergence of new leaders--working conditions issues--wildcats productive for union
Reel/Side   25/2-A
Time   10:01 to 15:35
Transition from AFL to CIO--Yenney and Egbert as CIO supporters--reaction to Homer Martin, long-term support for him
Reel/Side   25/2-A
Time   15:35 to 19:30
Recollection of Harold Lewis--Lewis an informer, according to G. S.
Reel/Side   25/2-A
Time   19:31 to 22:26
Reaction to allegation of agreement between company and city not to hire black workers--G. S. attitude toward black workers
Reel/Side   25/2-A
Time   22:27 to 23:47
G. S. during World War II, entered Army in 1942
Reel/Side   25/2-A
Time   23:47 to 27:07
G. S. returned from Army just before 1945-46 strike--picket captain during that strike--positive attitude toward the strike
Reel/Side   25/2-A
Time   27:07 to 29:47
G. S. provides additional information on others who helped to organize Local 121--Elmer Yenney--Mark Egbert
Reel/Side   25/2-B
Time   0:00 to 1:55
Harry Johnson, militant after he was fired--Howard Johnson, Harry's brother
Reel/Side   25/2-B
Time   1:56 to 8:36
Joe Knipschield, influential in paint department--Gene Osmond, influenced people in his area of the assembly line--Bob Brennan, cab trim leader--Louie Prohuska--Ollie Radtke--Eddie Flood in the radiator area
Reel/Side   25/2-B
Time   8:37 to 16:02
Getting off the line into the desirable jobs--Kenny Scholl--Cliff Porter on the body line, brought Brennan into union, picketed Floyd Mabie's house--Waldo Luchsinger
Reel/Side   25/2-B
Time   16:03 to 20:38
Comments on the women's auxiliary--Mrs. Swinbank comments on auxiliary activities, the drill team and the chorus, the soup kitchens--Mrs. Swinbank's attitudes toward the union