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March 13, 1978 Session
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Tape/Side
2/1
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00:00
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Introduction
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Tape/Side
2/1
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00:10
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More on Stetin's Resignation in 1935 as Union Organizer : Friction between Local 1733 and the Federation made it difficult for Stetin to find work in a dyeing plant; local union leaders unsuccessfully attempted to oust him. He resumed work as an organizer with the Dyers Federation about the time of the second UTW convention.
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Tape/Side
2/1
Time
02:40
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Violent Strike in Derby, Connecticut, 1936 : Stetin jailed, along with four other strikers, for retaliatory thugging. Federation could send no bail money, but one of the strikers carried enough money for bail. On another occasion Stetin jailed overnight, tried, and finally freed for a beating he was not involved in. Examples of employer-sponsored violent acts used to discredit the Union. Willard Uphaus and the Religion and Labor Foundation finally helped settle the strike.
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Tape/Side
2/1
Time
11:00
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Anecdote Regarding Stetin's Second Jailing; Made Embarrassing Reference to It Twenty Years Later
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Tape/Side
2/1
Time
13:10
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Strike in West Warwick, Rhode Island, 1937 : Sister plant to the one Stetin worked for in Paterson. Owner used Stetin re-employment letter against him (See 1:2, 11:55). Stetin jailed again; union headquarters across from jail, and strikers fed him very well.
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Tape/Side
2/1
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20:15
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Formation of TWOC : All Dyers organizers assigned to work under Hillman, with paychecks coming from TWOC.
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Tape/Side
2/1
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20:50
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What TWOC Meant to Members of UTW : Dyers and Hosiery Federations felt that ultimately a bigger UTW would result from TWOC.
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Tape/Side
2/1
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23:50
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Formation of TWOC Did Not Receive Unanimous Support from All UTW Members, Particularly the Crafts
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Tape/Side
2/2
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00:00
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Introduction
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Tape/Side
2/2
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00:05
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Jack Rubenstein's Letter to Frank Gorman after 1934 Strike, Criticizing Conduct of the Strike
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
01:05
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Stetin Requested Transfer to New Jersey to Work with Carl Holderman : Request made of Hillman in Spring, 1937; reply came from Sol Barkin in the affirmative, with proviso that Stetin maintain loyalty to TWOC. Stetin transferred first to New York for several weeks.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
02:15
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Anecdote Regarding Strike on Coney Island, Summer
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Tape/Side
2/2
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02:40
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Began TWOC Work in New Jersey in August, 1937 : Worked in New Jersey until November, 1943.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
03:40
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More on Strikes in Rhode Island, 1937, Including One Loss : Sit-down strikes in West Warwick.
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Tape/Side
2/2
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05:10
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TWOC Organizers : 650 figure inflated. Amalgamated Clothing Workers (ACW) contributed much.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
06:10
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Early Successes of TWOC : Stetin sees it as a period of an “industrial revolution.” Conditions were much better for organizing in 1937 than they had been in 1934. There was a functioning committee and sufficient funds.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
07:15
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TWOC/TWUA Use of Government Agencies in Organizing : Leadership felt it was the best approach, due to the past history of strikes in textiles.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
08:30
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Weaknesses of TWOC : Became an institution too fast; ambitious leadership pushed for a constitutional organization which led to the immediate introduction of politics into textile unionism. Organizing the unorganized is not and can not be a democratic process.
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Tape/Side
2/2
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11:OO
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Politics at the 1939 Convention : Carl Holderman a good case in point. One of the outstanding tacticians in American labor movement; interested in being an officer of the Union.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
12:30
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If TWOC Had Existed for a Longer Period of Time, Many More Textile Workers Would Have Been Organized
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
13:05
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Frank Gorman's Leftist Politics Eliminated Him from Top TWOC Leadership Post; a Good Man Though
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
14:05
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Thomas McMahon Also an Able Man
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Tape/Side
2/2
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15:15
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Membership of TWOC/TWUA in 1939 : Approximately 230,OO0 at 1939 convention.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
15:45
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Collecting Per Caps in the Early Days : ACW helped set up dues system, and there was an unusual record of full payments. Many open shops, however.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
16:45
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Belief, at 1939 Convention, in Complete Organization of the Industry
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
17:45
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Why William Pollock Chosen at 1939 Convention : Fact that Philadelphia was a big textile area with 10,000 plus members.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
18:20
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Why TWUA Able to Get So Many Good Staff People : The struggle for the South; both Rieve and Baldanzi brought people from their Federations; social consciousness; the drama of strikes and violence - young people wanted to be where the action was.
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
21:25
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Anecdote Concerning 1913 Silk Strike and Stetin's Father
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Tape/Side
2/2
Time
22:25
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Structure of TWUA : Local unions and joint boards set up along the lines of ACW, though ACW had more control over locals and joint boards because of master agreements. Regional offices required in TWUA because of localized conditions. Combination of ACW, Baldanzi, Rieve, Hillman, Dubinsky, Zimmerman, the Mine Workers - all played roles in first getting it started.
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Tape/Side
3/1
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00:00
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Introduction
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
00:45
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Stetin's First Official Position with TWUA : Business agent and organizer for the New Jersey Joint Board, beginning in August, 1937. Holderman was manager and state director. Lived in Camden.
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Tape/Side
3/1
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01:55
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Anecdote Concerning Creation of and Stetin's Becoming Manager of the South Jersey Joint Board in 1940 : Stetin insisted on clearing it with Holderman. Office in Camden. Peak of about 3500 dues-paying members.
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
03:50
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Stetin More Closely Identified with New Jersey State Directorship Than with Dyers Federation : Working for TWOC presented broader opportunities than just working within Dyers locals. Also, Joe Knapik, with whom Stetin had disagreements, had become president of the Dyers. When Stetin became a member of the Executive Council in 1944, replacing Holderman, he was not thought of as another representative of the Dyers Federation.
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
05:55
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Stetin Succeeded Holderman as New Jersey State Director in 1943 : Holderman resigned because of his differences with Rieve. Activities as State Director included coordinating the locals and joint boards and directing the organizing within New Jersey.
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
07:25
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TWUA Constitution and the International Union : International Union needed more authority; too much freedom had been granted to each area, which resulted in politicking.
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
08:35
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Authority of the International Union Vs. Local Autonomy : Despite this authority, there was considerable local autonomy, particularly in the stronger divisions of the Union.
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
10:10
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Joint Boards Paying Their Own Way : There was no significant amount of friction between those joint boards who paid their own manager and those whose managers were paid by the International. During 1950-52 fight, source of paycheck (Local or International) was not a factor in how people lined up. Joint Board manager on International payroll could play local off against International (and vice versa) to get his own way.
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
13:15
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Sidney Hillman after the Formation of TWUA Retained Little Influence
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
13:50
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In 1940 TWUA Contracts Improved, But There Were Many Lost Opportunities, Especially Concerning Organizing
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
14:45
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Again Reiterates That TWUA Became a Political Institution Too Fast
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
15:55
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John L. Lewis' Departure from Congress of Industrial Organization (CIO) : The general sentiment was that Lewis was mistaken. There was much ill feeling toward him afterward.
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
18:20
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People Began Maneuvering for Positions within the Union after the War
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
19:45
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Few Changes in the Industry Had an Effect on TWUA; Political Environment after the War Did Affect TWUA : Union kept growing, until the end of the war and Taft-Hartley. After that, the Union and the general labor movement declined in popularity, both with its members and with the public. Employers' offensive, union malpractices, Lewis' defiance of the government, all contributed to this decline in favor.
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Tape/Side
3/1
Time
23:10
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Causes of the Weakening of the Labor Movement : The media tranquilized the workers into believing the worst about the working class and labor unions. Industry was shifting to anti-union areas, and Taft-Hartley gave management the legal backing to fight unionism.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
00:00
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Introduction
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
00:35
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World War II Helped Low-Wage Industries Like Textiles : TWUA leaders active in War Labor Board (WLB) and this a crucial factor in closing the wage gap and making TWUA a leader in fringe benefits.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
03:35
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Rieve Wanted to Avoid Strikes Whenever Possible
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
06:35
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With WLB Machinery, Labor's Job Was Made Easier
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
07:25
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Organizing in the Wartime Period : A lost opportunity. Situation could have been different if TWOC had continued through the war.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
09:00
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Complete Organization of Textiles : It was never expressed that complete organization of the industry might not be possible.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
10:30
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Hosiery Federation and TWUA : The raise in per caps was a real issue, not just an excuse. Rieve did not want to take them on. After the break, neither the Federation nor TWUA organized hosiery workers, the industry shifted South, and the hosiery division lost many members. Hosiery workers went from highest paid to lowest paid textile workers.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
14:10
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Votes on Executive Council in Favor of Hosiery Federation's Request for Separate Charter from CIO
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
15:45
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Rieve Did Not Wish to Fight with Hosiery People after They Left TWUA and Thus Made No Effort to Organize Hosiery Workers
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
16:05
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Return of Hosiery Workers to TWUA in 1965
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
17:00
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Dyers Federation Resented the Fact That Hosiery Federation Was Permitted to Go Its Own Way
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
17:15
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Dissolution of Dyers Federation : Problems developed between the leaderships of the Federation and the International Union; Baldanzi's constant interference with the Federation caused much friction with the Federation leadership. At one point, Baldanzi ran for president of the Dyers against Knapik and was defeated by one vote. Mariano Bishop, a Dyer from Fall River, helped defeat him.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
19:20
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Certain Unethical Practices Were Occurring within the Dyers, on the Federation Level
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
20:10
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Stetin's Split with Baldanzi in 1950-1952 Fight Was Based on Unethical Practices
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
20:35
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Opposition to Dissolution of Dyers : There was considerable opposition, but not enough to pull out as the Hosiery Federation had done.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
21:05
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Suit Concerning Dyers Treasury : Certain commitments were made by the leadership regarding financial contributions to Dyers locals which were not lived up to.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
22:30
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Payne as Director of Dyers Division : Political decision by Rieve to allow him some influence within the Dyers. Dyers were consulted; Rieve was very persuasive.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
24:00
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Rash of Appeals to the International Union by Northern New Jersey Dyers in Late 1940s : Outgrowth of the friction within the Dyers Federation.
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Tape/Side
3/2
Time
24:30
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Dyers Federation Led the Industry in Fringe Benefits : Militancy won them excellent fringe benefits, better wages, and lighter workloads (by resisting new technology), but all of this also had a detrimental effect because the industry for the most part moved out of the metropolitan area. Leadership was not strong enough to realize that too much militancy in the matter of resisting technology would drive the industry out.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
00:00
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Introduction
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
00:50
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Peculiar Problems and Characteristics of the Dyeing Industry : Dyers have dirty, grimy jobs because of the use of chemicals, dyestuffs, etc.; dye factory conditions generally more difficult. Many foreign-born workers in the dyeing industry; especially Italians, many of whom had experience with trade unionism in Italy and many of them were anarchists. Ethnic homogeneity made organizing easier for the Dyers.
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Tape/Side
4/1
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02:50
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Sentiment in TWUA for a Labor Party : Independent political action never progressed very far, although there were some attempts. In Paterson, 1935, Stetin's local supported a mayoral candidate on a third party ticket. Stetin always interested in independent political action.
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Tape/Side
4/1
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04:30
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Labor's Nonpartisan League and the Political Action Committee : Nonpartisan League very active in Paterson; units in every ward. Almost destroyed in 1940 by John L. Lewis endorsement of Wendell Wilkie; Lewis an “egomaniac.” Political Action Committee formed because of feeling that labor and liberal elements had suffered a defeat in 1942 elections.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
06:10
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Anecdote Concerning 1943 TWUA Convention : Stetin wanted to support Roosevelt on a third party ticket; Rieve took the floor to oppose Stetin's suggestion. There was not much support for Stetin's idea in the convention.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
07:20
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Even If Truman Had Lost in 1948, There Was Not Enough Sentiment within the CIO to Start Up a Labor Party
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
07:50
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Differences of Opinion Between the Political Action Committee of the TWUA and That of the CIO : One difference could have been over the tariff issue.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
08:40
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TWUA Role in Expelling Communists from the CIO : Baldanzi was not a leader in this regard, he merely followed the line that Murray decided upon.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
09:55
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Taft-Hartley and Its Provision for Anti-Communist Affidavits : TWUA was willing to go along with this, as Communists had always been an irritant within the textile industry.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
12:00
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Stetin's Opinion of CIO Communist Purge : Expulsion was unfortunate because the Communist issue had kept the labor movement alive; there had been a type of competition between Communists and non-Communists, which was healthy.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
13:40
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Expulsion of Unions for Corruption and Communism : In retrospect, Stetin feels the entire union should not have been expelled, only the bad elements within the union. It was courageous, however, to get rid of all that income.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
16:35
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Appeal of Charges by Two Communists from Paterson at 1948 TWUA Convention : They were from Stetin's local union, where they had been creating problems for the local; meetings were very long, as they argued every issue.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
18:50
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Changes in the TWUA Constitution at 1948 Convention : Requirement that the International office must approve a strike or a boycott; passed supposedly to protect the Union under Taft-Hartley. From 1962 to the present the International never disapproved a strike which the local people had approved. Opposition to these changes was insignificant.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
20:50
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The Impact of Taft-Hartley and Other Causes for the Decline of TWUA : Right-to-work laws weakened the Union, especially in the South. Taft-Hartley, and the growing power and influence of big business, were major causes for the decline in membership. The four horsemen: automation, importation, liquidation, and migration were major factors contributing to the weakening of TWUA and the labor movement.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
23:45
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Position of TWUA within the CIO by the Late 1940s : Very significant; Rieve was a vice president and was highly regarded by labor and political leaders.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
24:45
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Consideration of Rieve to Succeed Murray as CIO President
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
25:05
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Decision Making on Allocation of TWUA Resources : Top officers would initiate a program which the Executive Council approved; but often Union administration was carried on by the President, who merely reported his actions to the Executive Council.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
26:25
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By Late 1940s TWUA Losing Big NLRB Elections and Winning Small Ones : Big employers had more money to spend to defeat TWUA.
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Tape/Side
4/1
Time
27:35
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Wisconsin Representation at TWUA Conventions : Between 1939 and 1948 representation dropped from 30 to 7 delegates; this due to the hosiery industry's sharp decline.
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