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INTRODUCTION

ADRIAN MANDERS
Scope and Content Note: Very opposed to open housing and supportive of margarine. Dueholm and Manders also clashed bitterly over parochial school support.

JOANNE DUREN
Scope and Content Note: Vicious in opposing those who disagreed with her on any specific bill; would introduce many bills at other's request. But Duren would be friendly at a personal level.

PAUL ALFONSI, REPUBLICAN
Scope and Content Note: Had served with Marius Dueholm as a Progressive, but differed because more radical than the elder Dueholm. Alfonsi had connections with Communists in Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) during the 1930's. Ran for Governor as Progressive in 1940 and lost; ran for Congress in 1942 as Republican and lost. In 1958 he was re-elected to the Assembly as a Republican. In the 1930's he was far left, a radical, but by the end of his career, he was a very conservative Republican. Remained good friend despite political differences.

WILLIS HUTNIK, REPUBLICAN
Scope and Content Note: Dueholm, Hutnik and Sen. Rasmusen often rode together to Madison; Dueholm and Hutnik would argue the entire trip.

CURTIS McKAY, REPUBLICAN
Scope and Content Note: Ultra-conservative attorney.

ROBERT MAROTZ
Scope and Content Note: Former Republican Speaker, but Dueholm knew him as lobbyist for liquor industry.

ROBERT HAASE
Scope and Content Note: Republican floor leader; taught law at University-of Wisconsin-Madison. Dueholm and Haase clashed over a bill Haase was pushing while running for judge; Dueholm was chairman of Welfare Committee. Dueholm considered Haase a top-shelf legislator.

JERRIS LEONARD
Scope and Content Note: Never knew where he stood; very close with lobbyists. Later got a job in Nixon administration and fit in very well.

ROBERT KNOWLES
Scope and Content Note: Differed politically but had respect for each other and got along except during campaigns. Knowles once said that Dueholm's stories were too earthy for him.

WARREN KNOWLES
Scope and Content Note: When Knowles was Governor, he would have problems with Republicans, and Dueholm helped both Knowles brothers against the more conservative Republicans. Help not sought often because the Knowles's thought Dueholm's help probably more of a hindrance than a help.

HUGH HARPER
Scope and Content Note: A Progressive who returned to Republican Party and became very conservative.

GLEN POMMERENING
Scope and Content Note: Father of the sales tax. Sales tax probably responsible for the surplus that defeated Democrats in 1978.

JOHN SHABAZ, REPUBLICAN
Scope and Content Note: Floor leader, very capable attorney and very hard to debate. Not very friendly but very ultra-conservative and very effective leader for the Republicans.

BYRON WACKETT
Scope and Content Note: Very conservative Republican but a true gentleman. Dueholm and Wackett became good friends. Messengers talked well of Wackett, and one could learn a lot about fellow legislators by talking to messengers.

ALVIN O'KONSKI
Scope and Content Note: First elected in 1942. Always gave whichever party was in power the devil, especially the Secretary of Agriculture. Story of dedication of Fabertech Corporation factory in Amery which Dueholm, Howard Cameron and O'Konski attended. Always very good at constituent service.

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MORE ON ALVIN O'KONSKI
Scope and Content Note: O'Konski met woman on the street whom he had helped find the father of her child. O'Konski would keep track of everyone he helped and make use of them during campaigns. Made political mistake in running in 1972 against Dave Obey after reapportionment.

VERNON THOMSON
Scope and Content Note: Defeated for Governor by Gaylord Nelson in 1958 and by Alvin Baldus for Congress in 1974.

REUBEN LaFAVE
Scope and Content Note: Always with lobbyists. Pushed bills on retirement that gave legislators good benefits, which Dueholm voted against.

GORDON ROSELEIP
Scope and Content Note: Only reason Dueholm ever thought about running for Senate was to answer Roseleip. Roseleip was for God and Country and very strong for veterans' rights. Wrapped himself in the flag and often tripped in it. Roseleip once said, “It's time to grab the bull by the tail and look it in the eye.” He once flunked butter/margarine taste test; Dueholm countered by saying he never thought much of Roseleip's taste anyway. Dueholm disagreed with his definition of patriotism, but Roseleip was certainly a character.

TOMMY THOMPSON
Scope and Content Note: Scrapped with Dueholm constantly but came to admire each other. Thompson always first to welcome Dueholm back from the hospital.

CHESTER DEMPSEY
Scope and Content Note: Conservative senator, originally a Democrat but switched to Republican Party. Never voted for a budget. Accused of never being affected by the Depression, Dempsey was alleged to have replied that he had too been affected: he had to foreclose on two widows. A bachelor lawyer.

JON WILCOX
Scope and Content Note: Ultra-conservative who became good friend of Dueholm's. Dueholm and Wilcox clashed bitterly over Father Groppi's march; Dueholm grabbed Wilcox on the floor with television cameras going.

ALLAN ROBERTS
Scope and Content Note: Attorney who practised law constantly and did law work at his Assembly desk. Ghost-voting scandal involved Roberts when he voted all day during a special session but was not at the Capitol. Shabaz defended Roberts and moved that Roberts be given a leave of absence and his vote be expunged. Issue given statewide press which helped defeat him.

ALEXANDER WILEY
Scope and Content Note: Gaylord Nelson beat him in 1962. He had been a long-time senator whom Republicans unsuccessfully always tried to defeat because Wiley would win the primary. By 1962 he was a little weak from age.

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WILLIAM W. WARD
Scope and Content Note: Known as “Bill” or “Old Salt.” Introduced Dueholm to Democratic leaders at a meeting in Eau Claire. Keith Hardie, Lee Mulder (later with Wisconsin Farmers' Union), Allen (“Jerry”) Flannigan (assistant floor leader that session, an alcoholic who fell off the wagon and died in 1965 session) and George Molinaro (very liberal at first but became more conservative). This Eau Claire meeting voted to support Molinaro over Robert Huber of West Allis because Huber had voted for resolution praising Joseph McCarthy at his death. Later, Dueholm came to like and support Huber as Huber became more liberal.

ROBERT BARABE
Scope and Content Note: Quiet guy on the floor. Roomed in Belmont Hotel next to Ward and Dueholm, and the three would debate.

WILLIAM WARD
Scope and Content Note: Great speaker at the spur of the moment. Could give the opposition the devil, then go over and tell them what they should have said.

DAVID O'MALLEY
Scope and Content Note: Good legislator, wife very progressive. O'Malley family was old Irish Catholic Democrats, not all old Progressives.

JOHN R. HANSEN
Scope and Content Note: Good liberal but defeated after one term.

FRANK NIKOLAY
Scope and Content Note: Had come up into Polk County to organize Progressive Party. One of 11 to vote against HUAC resolution. Always took a forthright stand.

DAVID OBEY
Scope and Content Note: Defeated a Republican when he was in his early 20's and was effective from the beginning. Honest and hardworking. Elected to Congress in 1969 special election.

BEN RICHLE
Scope and Content Note: A real character who walked with a cane but at parties would not need his cane. Very conservative. Once argued against a bill, then voted for it, claiming he knew how to vote so he would be re-elected.

KEITH HARDIE
Scope and Content Note: Floor leader, then defeated for Senate; became a United States Marshall before losing that job to Nixon. Then lost a special election for Assembly.

MICHAEL EARLY
Scope and Content Note: A very interesting, witty guy. An alcoholic, a hard worker, in the plumbing business; fairly wealthy. Also one who became more liberal as time went on. Appointed to Department of Veterans' Affairs; when John Moses came back, went to Emergency Government.

FRED MOSER
Scope and Content Note: Well read and good friend. Dueholm replaced Gaylord Nelson at a Moser campaign event in 1964.

GEORGE MERRIL
Scope and Content Note: Progressive and Democrat. Rode with Dueholm and Howard Cameron to Madison.

THOMAS ST. ANGELO
Scope and Content Note: Rode with Dueholm to Madison after he defeated Merril. Ultra-conservative Republican both personally and politically. His brother, Louis, was a Democrat.

MORE ON FRED MOSER
Scope and Content Note: Dueholm respected Moser's intellect. Remained close friends of Dueholm family.

NORMAN ANDERSON
Scope and Content Note: After losing a primary in 1958, he was chosen chief clerk and did as fine a job as Dueholm ever saw. Elected to the Assembly in 1960; 1976 defeat a real tragedy. Defeated because of the secret caucus issue and Madison Capital Times' opposition.

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JOHN PRITCHARD
Scope and Content Note: Had served and roomed with Marius Dueholm in the 1930's; still there when Harvey Dueholm elected in 1958. Had been a Progressive, went to the Republicans in 1946, then switched to the Democrats in 1958. Chairman of Agriculture Committee.

ALVIN BALDUS
Scope and Content Note: From Menominee. Rode with Dueholm to Madison until Baldus elected to Congress in 1974.

LEO MOHN
Scope and Content Note: Elected in 1970. Quiet guy who voted right and knew all the bills. Defeated in 1978.

ANTHONY EARL
Scope and Content Note: Elected to the Assembly after Dave Obey elected to Congress. Very capable attorney; soon elected Majority Leader. Defeated by Bronson La Follette for Attorney General in 1974 and then became Secretary of DNR. One of several capable attorneys Dueholm served with.

ISAAC COGGS
Scope and Content Note: Very capable but started drinking heavily and began missing a lot of time. Widow, Marcia, now serves in his seat.

RAYMOND LATHAN
Scope and Content Note: Not very capable.

LLOYD BARBEE
Scope and Content Note: Hardworking, sincere legislator who introduced a lot of unpopular legislation.

WALTER WARD
Scope and Content Note: Dueholm does not take Ward very seriously. Does not do himself or his race any good.

PROBLEMS OF MINORITY LEGISLATORS
Scope and Content Note: Low voter turnout means less minorities in the legislature. Since most live in cities, the city council and county board elections attract more attention.

THOMAS FOX
Scope and Content Note: Met him in 1968 or 1969. A young attorney, he was elected Assembly chief clerk for 1970 session. His father, Jerry Fox, a Democrat, served in legislature with Marius Dueholm in 1930's. Fox one of the few Democrats elected in 1932 who stayed liberal. Most were post-office Democrats and very conservative. Democrats formed a coalition with Republicans in 1938 to defeat the Progressives. Democrats just as conservative as the Republicans which is why Dueholm voted with Bob La Follette, Jr. to rejoin Republicans in 1946. After leaving the legislature, Tom Fox practised law with Elizabeth Hawkes, then became chairman of the Natural Resources Board, and then worked for Governor Martin Schreiber.

WILLIAM JOHNSON
Scope and Content Note: Elected to the Assembly in a special election in 1965 to replace Jerry Flannigan. Johnson a strongly pro-labor man but not as liberal on other issues as Flannigan. Johnson developed heart problems; Dueholm would run into him at the hospital.

HERBERT GROVER
Scope and Content Note: Grover reminded Dueholm of his father-in-law, either “sugar or crap.” He would either be with you or fighting you very hard. Grover left the legislature to teach and was appointed to the University of Wisconsin Board of Regents.

JOSEPH SWEDA
Scope and Content Note: Elected in 1962 from Lincoln County. Became very active right away and always helped the party. Later appointed to the Highway Commission.

HENRY DORMAN
Scope and Content Note: Senator from Racine; very able legislator and very good liberal. Worked with Dueholm on the mining tax. Was defeated on an issue that was blown up out of all proportion--daughter used his credit card to make a few phone calls.

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