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Kaminski, John P.; Saladino, Gaspare J.; Leffler, Richard; Schoenleber, Charles H.; Hogan, Margaret A.; Reid, Jonathan M. (ed.) / Ratification of the Constitution by the states: New York (5)
23 (2009)

V. The New York Convention, 17 June-26 July 1788 (continued),   pp. 2169-2340

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states the reasons he mentioned the other day.- [Gilbert Livingston,
Notes, NN]
MELANCTON SMITH. the gent. is perfectly welcome-to use such ar-
guments as he pleases-if he thinks the propositions are nothing-the
gent. shows as little sence in so violently opposing nothing as we do in
bringing them forward on compacts-
congress have no right to [receive?] -combats this-
if Congress by adm [ittin] g us do abrogate their power then he admits
they cannot do it-
but holds they may suspend-which is all we ask-
doubtful-if congs. would refuse to accept us when it was doubtful-
would suffer any distress, before he would submit to such a govt-
Congress setting in this state, ought not to be put in competition
with Liberty-
Wishes to retain congress here, if we could, but it is a very uncertain
came forward manfully-with our propositions- [Gilbert Living-
ston, Notes, NN]
JOHN LANSING, JR. Calls the attention of the committee to the
point-is willing to hear all that can be said-but wants to have the
questn.- [Gilbert Livingston, Notes, NN]
ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. combats the Idea, that he called us childn.
he only combats the arguments-not the Gent. of the committee.-
men beget children-children do not [Gilbert Livingston, Notes,
ALEXANDER HAMILTON. extreemely sorry Lan [sing] cannot see the
matter as he does-has this consolation, that they have done all they
could to conciliate-
heartily wishes the matter may be postponed till tomorrow-
Gent have mentd. the breach of the Confedn. considers the clause
of amendt. in it only going to the mode of Govt.
people may alter their Govt.
Motn. that the committee rise- [Gilbert Livingston, Notes, NN]
WILLIAM HARPER. we must take the questn before we can go on-
yet does not wish to hurry [Gilbert Livingston, Notes, NN]

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