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Kaminski, John P.; Saladino, Gaspare J.; Leffler, Richard; Schoenleber, Charles H.; Hogan, Margaret A.; Reid, Jonathan M. (ed.) / Ratification of the Constitution by the states: New York (5)
23 (2009)

V. The New York Convention, 17 June-26 July 1788 (continued),   pp. 2169-2340


Page 2169

V.
THE NEW YORK CONVENTION
17 June-26 July 1788
(Continued)
The New York Convention
Monday
14 July 1788
Convention Debates, 14 July 1788
JOHN JAY. Wishes us to candidly consider-
We cannot presume we were sent here to make a Constitution-
If we were, every State had the same power, and therefore no
Const-could be made-therefore it is presumed, they meant we
should determine upon the whole whether best to adopt-
have a right to propose amendts to the People of the US.
But we cannot propose it to the Agents of the people-
we may propose to the people not to their Servants-
The Conditions are to be offered to the Servants not to the Mas-
ters-Must ask an attorney for his powers-
Expect the attorney to do more, than they are authorized to do-
They may not [have] a right to agree to forbear with respect to a
new State-
They might agree to forbear with respect to one of their own mem-
bers-
But cannot admit upon any other terms than signing the Com-
pact-
If he saw probability he would agree-
Wishes to say neither part is victors-
A Man [in] England Two farms, one all wood, one none-he em-
powers an attorney to sell the wood provides he gives, a right to cut
wood-the other proposes,- [Melancton Smith, Notes, N]
MELANCTON SMITH. it is an excellent example-we here offer to cut
the wood & bring it home to his door till the condition is complied
with- [Gilbert Livingston, Notes, NN]
JOHN JAY. he must reserve the absolute right-& not be oblidged to
ask what trees to cut- [Gilbert Livingston, Notes, NN]
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