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Kaminski, John P.; Saladino, Gaspare J.; Leffler, Richard; Schoenleber, Charles H.; Hogan, Margaret A.; Reid, Jonathan M. (ed.) / Ratification of the Constitution by the states: New York (5)
23 (2009)

V. The New York Convention, 17 June-26 July 1788 (continued),   pp. 2169-2340


Page 2171

CONVENTION DEBATES, 14JULY 1788
the vague wishes of their constituents not sufft. Authy. to make conds.
&c run risks-&ct-the only thing which remains is the suspensions,
for a certain time-Smith has sd. it is not probable these powers will
soon be used-why then take a risk-to gain nothing-prudence will
dictate to leave out the conditions & Unite in recommendations- [Gil-
bert Livingston, Notes, NN]
HARISON. Powers lodged by a Constitution a sacred trust
No trustee can part with powers lodged, with them, for the public
good-
The power of taxes and over the militia great powers-said that these
powers, may will not be necessary-Suppose a Rebellion and the militia
called out-if the chief magistr [at] e would not call out-
The principles of the const. should be sacred-the governt. ought
not to have a power to abridge-improper to give up-
In opinion, that a government cannot, tie its hands-Parliament can-
not, abridge its powers, or of its successors-
An Act, declaring the County of Suffolk, should not be taxed for ten
Years-if a change of circumstances, right they should be taxed-
The only evidence we have of the intention is the Act under which
they were appointed
Some of our Constituents have some way & some another-
No weight in the Argument, that it has been adopted on principles
of expediency-an evidence, not opposed to fundamental rights-
Will not say perfect-but good men will approve-perfection, in
some, what not in another-
What the use of a Condition-not to say we have adopted it with a
Condition-It may be sd. to secure amendts-
If the amends. can be as well made without it-unnecessary-If a
suff. number of the people, wish them they will be made-If not they
cannot be made by the Condition-If no danger that the power will
be exercised not important, to make them Conditions- [Melancton
Smith, Notes, N]
WILLIAM HARPER.2 have spent much time in debating about a thing
which does not exist cannot exist-have spent three days doing noth-
ing but talk-wishes the propositions may be taken up-and the ques-
tion put- [Gilbert Livingston, Notes, NN]
ALEXANDER HAMILTON. wishes the questn. may not be put-as it will
now be a decision of the comparitive view betwn the two propositions-
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