Did you notice some actual, besides maybe the emphasis by administrators, did you notice any actual changes within the Lab in terms of number of employees or...?

Yeah, it's gone down steadily, the number of employees you see walking around these buildings. You see a lot of empty space. And of course that's not something that is under the control of the Director of the Forest Products Laboratory, but to some extent it is because he competes, or she competes, with the other directors of the Forest Service stations---I think there are eight of them---and there's a finite pot of money and it's divvyed up. So to that extent the Director has been responsible for the lowering of the number of scientists and engineers here. I don't, for the life of me, understand why they are building a new building out front when the staff numbers have been going down. There must be a rhyme or reason for that. Well, I'll tell you what---oh I've got fifteen more minutes, but I'm going to have to go at eleven-thirty.

Okay, that's fine.

So ask me the ones you really want to know.