And, so that was after you started full time?

Right.

Great. Just to go back a little bit, had you heard about the Forest Products Lab before you started in that summer program?

Yes, because we had graduates [from Iowa State who] worked here as well as a professor [who] was very enamored with the Forest Products Laboratory. [He presented class material about] the research they were doing here. So, as a student, we heard a lot about the Forest Products Laboratory.

And do you remember what professor that was?

Professor Dwight Bensend, B-E-N-S-E-N-D---just passed away here, about a year and a half ago.

And, so we've already talked a bit about your first summer full time at the Lab. Do you have any specific recollections of your first day here? Perhaps of your interview here before you started working?

I guess I [don't remember being] interviewed. [I was] a warm body that could work during the summer, and they needed warm bodies. So we got in line and [were] hired. There were other scientists here that said, we're looking for somebody like that to work for us. So, I kind of had an in already, because they knew how warm-blooded we were, I guess.

Right. Willing to go out in the forest.

[Yes].

So, I guess, it seems like you've spent a lot of time out in the field doing research, as opposed to in the Lab. Did you spend most of your time here or elsewhere?

Most of the time here [at FPL. Most of] the [research] projects that [I] would work on involved going to either the forest, or into a [wood] processing center, [like] a sawmill or a woodworking plant. Because we were involved with, as much as anything, the utilization of the [forest] products that came out of the forest. Not [involved] so much [with] the management of the forest itself, but mostly [research of] the products.