So, were there any other colleagues that you had, that you have particular stories about?

Yeah, I had a very close relationship with a scientist outside the Lab. His name was Alfred Nissan. And he was, he had been a professor at Leeds University, and then to RPI, and he retired from there and became Director of Research at Westvaco, big paper company. And he, he was interested in lots of things that I was working on. And he arranged to have me visit Westvaco and paid for my trip there to talk to the researchers there. But we developed a long working relationship, even after he retired from Westvaco. He was in his 80s and I was in my 60s and this one graduate student was in his 20s and we, we worked together on a very nice problem, and it was sort of fun.

Which problem?

It was how water affects the stiffness of paper.

And, any other colleagues from the Lab?

Yeah. The electron microscopist, who's now passed away; he was a close friend and colleague of mine, Irv Sacks. And one of the students who got his PhD with me was Craig Clemmons, and he's working here at the Lab now on polymer fiber composites. That was one of the things I was into at the end of my career here. [Short pause] The young man who worked with me on the paper stiffness thing, [Stefan Zauscher,] he's now a professor at Duke University in the Material Science department. He's done very well.