00:24:51 - 00:27:13 Forest Service
Forest Service, change, impression, USDA
That's great. So, back to more on just the terms of working with and for the federal government, how did you feel about working for an agency that was part of the USDA Forest Service?
I felt very proud. I thought about, at the time, I don't remember so much now, but I did, I never realized a lot of that stuff really existed and all the divisions of the Forest Service. You know, the various stations and the Washington office and you know, we'd have meetings and you got, we got so you knew some of the secretaries that worked for the directors of these places. And it was just a very close-knit group. I don't know whether it still is or not. But when you start out at a place over four-hundred employees, you know, and end up with under two-hundred, that's a big change.
They had a new building built and it was just a dynamic thing and I don't know if still is anymore.
So would you say that your impressions of the Forest Service, did those change over your time with the Lab?
No? Okay. And have you seen a change over time at how the Forest Service is perceived, maybe from outside the Lab?
I don't know whether, they're not mentioned a lot, although they talk about a lot of the roads and the Forest Service is in charge of roads in the national parks or whatever, you know, but I don't think people really totally understand that the Forest Service and the research that is conducted, you know, at least the labs of the research, and I hear the Forest Service called Forestry Service so much, if they're mentioned you know. Rather than Forest Service, they say Forestry Service. I don't know if they are very well-known and sometimes I think that maybe the Secretary of Agriculture affects, would affect how we were perceived. We had some good ones and some bad ones, you know, and I think maybe that made a difference. But, on the whole, I think they stayed pretty, pretty clean, the USDA has, compared to some of the other agencies.