Yeah, oh for sure. Lets, lets talk a little bit about the day-to-day activity where you worked during the war years.

When I worked?

Yeah.

Well, we, we had, I was primarily concerned with wood boxes, baskets, fruits and vegetables, I had quite a bit of, of---I wish I could think of the---Lend Lease shipments, was that, is that---and agriculture. I remember we did work on apple boxes, orange boxes, the use of other [wood] species, and then of course pallets came into vogue and we got involved in the development of pallets, and trying to get some standardization. And we did some work, well, in that Lend Lease deal that's where we, we shipped potatoes, freeze dried potatoes I guess they were. We had all sorts of things of that nature that we tried to develop some packaging for them. And you know this is 2008 and those war years are 60 years ago. That's pretty hard on the old guy's memory. I've been trying to think if there was anybody else still around, the only one I can think of is that fellow that I said if you want to find out more about the group of people that were---actually I guess they were actually employed by the Lab, that were employed by our group at the Lab that, that were in Washington and did this house-call survey or whatever you want to call it. But, you know it's odd how some things will, I'll be out sometimes with some of the guys and something will happen that'll make me think of particular situation that occurred and of course now when I want to it's off in the distance. But like I say I had no way to prepare for this and I'm sure I would have had I had a way to. Had I had chance to prepare for it, what could I do because I, you know I, I do have some of the things from the Lab and I don't---I doubt if I even have copies of the reports that I've written or done or one thing another. And we also participated, a lot of our people were asked to participate in programs given around on packaging and conventions and things of that sort.

If you could describe some of those that would be..

Pardon?