Well thank you. Well that's kind of the end of my questions. Do you have any other stories, memories or comments about your time at the Forest Products Lab that you would like to record for posterity?

Wow. Do you get responses from that?

Oh sure.

[long pause]. You know I was pretty much a loner, I have been all my life, so I don't have the kind of stories other people might have.

Well any last comments maybe about your time?

When I first went there, there were like four hundred and twenty employees and the new engineers and wood scientists had to share offices so I had an office with Al Bendtsen for a while and I was a smoker and he wasn't and I suppose somehow or other he may have suggested to somebody---but anyway I got moved to a different office and I was with two other people, three people in one office. So that was kind of the status unless you were a long time researcher and well known, you were two or three people to an office. It was several years before I got an office of my own.

Bob Youngs went on to better things, I don't remember how many years he was my project leader, probably not very many, maybe five---I don't know if my phone is giving me a signal, it looks like the battery is good.

Okay.

Then Bob Ethington---you know the name?

Yes I think I do.

Okay, he became project leader and---well I wanted so---well you know the story of Bob Youngs probably---and then Bob Ethington was my project leader for a number of years. Bill Galligan became my project leader for a few years and then I was assigned to Joe Murphy's group with a project created that involved---oh shoot---a long-time loading and other things. So those people were not exactly my bosses but people that I had to report to. Oh let's see. One thing that we had---Joe Liska, you know the name?

I don't think so.

Oh he was a wood engineering division chief, L-I-S-K-A, and I'm not sure he might still be alive but I'm not sure. But he used to have a project meeting---it seemed like it was every Tuesday---for an hour or so, get everybody get together and go around the room and ask people if they had any input to give and a lot of people didn't, it just seemed like a waste of time, it did get us all to know each other a little bit. Then when he retired Bill Bohannan became division chief and he pretty much done away with those meetings. Oh there was another thing too, each project had to give reports to the division chief individually and so each of us scientists would update the projects that we were working on and progress we were making and plans for the future and that sort of thing.

You mentioned the story of Bob Youngs, is that something that you had already talked about or is that something else?

Well I would expect that you've already got the information on him. He was a---he had a PhD and he ended up going to Washington, DC for a job and worked there for several years and then he came back as Director of the Forest Products Laboratory and he was that. I'm wondering if he wasn't that until he retired and then he went to Virginia or West Virginia where he got a job directing something, I can't tell you what. But he's still alive, somebody must have interviewed him. Any particular stories? You know I really can't come up with something.

Okay. Well do you have any final comments about your time at the Lab that you would like to make?

Well it was a good place to work and I was given the chance to work on my own, my own thing---somebody's trying to call but that's okay. The idea that you can do your own thing, make your own plans and not be bossed by others, I thought was good. So I guess that's about it.

--Division chief when Joe Liska was division chief. Wayne Lewis was an engineer. Gosh I had some names---I just can't remember. I'll let it go at that.