Do you feel like your work left a mark on the Lab or on the Forest Service?

You'd like to hope so. I guess I hope I maybe served a little bit of a role model for some of the [young] women who, I was always encouraging them to go back to school, to keep going at it. Yeah, and maybe to keep trying even though things look like they are against you. As far as the research? Yeah, I sure hope all these things are put to use some day.

Are any of them being used now?

Well, I think our patent on fiber loading had been licensed and hopefully it will fly but that maybe has the most possibility. Enzymatic de-inking has been used in other countries but, you know, here---I mentioned the problem of converting your lab [the mills] and a lot of them are geared to delignification [with chemicals], the sulfite to get craft kind of pulp and I guess that's a whole different process than the bio pulping was driving at. But it should---you know you get much more pulp from maintaining the lignin and whatever. Yeah, and I don't know about recycling, if that will ever make it but again I think other countries are doing it and they are not so specific about, not so picky about having to have the whitest of the white everything. So it should go too. Anyway, I think they are all good things ["green" processes].