We had a, in those days, a men's club [and the women had the Forestettes]. You couldn't do it now because you have to have---it's an employee club or something now. But we had a men's club and once a year we'd have the big bash and as men would do, it could get raunchy. That's a uh, looking back there it was crazy times, but we I guess like I say, we played hard and worked hard and the Lab was a place that everybody recognized. I don't think there's a wood person in the whole United States would not have loved to work at the Forest Products Lab, it [was] the Mecca, the Mecca of wood research.

What kind of things did the men's club do exactly? Could you say little bit more about that and were there other activities available to you at the Lab?

You know we had all-Lab picnics of course and they were---everybody attended, families, everybody comes to those. It was good times. The men's club, we had golf outings and things of that nature, there was always activities. We had a softball league, baseball, [bowling], lots of things going on.

Do you have any particular memories of some of these activities that stand out in your mind?

Oh I can't bring any to mind.

You know I told you I did travel a lot and I had a gift certificate sticker from Northwest Airlines [as] a two million mile club member.

Wow.

So that was---[NWA] kept track of the miles you fly and when I [reached 100,000 miles] I got a whole package of goodies. I got a CD player, a new attaché case, oh a whole bunch of things that they give for flying with them so much. Of course Northwest was the main carrier for the area and I was always ticketed on Northwest when I was flying somewhere. So like I say I did travel a lot in those days, [almost] every week I'd be gone somewhere.

And was that kind of a highlight for you?

The traveling?

Yes.

It was necessary. No I got along, you know I have two boys, course they kind of had to be raised by their mother, but I was home on the weekends, but I was traveling a lot and I guess it's just what you pay for what you want to do. I would do it over again. Are you still there?

Oh yes.