You worked quite a bit with other departments then within the Lab. Did your work ever take you outside of the office?

Yes it did a lot. Yeah I traveled a lot. I had been there probably ten years I would---oh I think I was in the field traveling probably half the time.

What places did you go and what kind of work did you do?

Well we were a [chemistry of wood preservatives] work unit and as such we were members of the American Wood Preservers Association, which was an industry [government] and university members' group of setting standards for the treatment of wood with preservatives. So I was on standards committee for probably twenty, twenty-five years of my time there. So I traveled a lot to committee meetings and to conventions of the Association. Published a lot of papers. I belonged to the Forest Products Research Society, which is right next door to the Lab you know. I was a member of that group for a long time, published a lot of papers in their journal. And we had treated wood specimens for evaluation in various areas of the country, test sites, from Maine to Washington state, and Mississippi and Minnesota had test [specimens] in the ground; we would treat stakes, two by four or three quarter inch steaks about eighteen inches long, treat them with various preservatives at different loading or retentions we call it. Then set them in field test spots and then you'd have to go back and inspect them once a year and that made a lot of travel. So the test results from the field tests that went into standards so that when they were treating a fencepost for a farmer or treating a piling for industrial building they would know what preservative they should use and what retention they should put in there. So that was the fun part of it, seeing if your research got used.