Here's an interesting question. How do you feel about your work here at the Forest Products Lab and for the Forest Service in general?

Well, I was disappointed when I retired, they wanted to pull me off termite work and have me collaborate with - the name again - the guy who eventually became the project leader here, [Terry Highley]. To work with him on fungal work. And that was near the end of my career, and on that I still kept some termite studies going on, but I collaborate with him on writing up a study plan to study how we could evaluate fungi for useful chemicals and possible use as biological agents. And that was right at the end of my career here, so I didn't follow up on what happened to that.

Around what time was that?

That would be - let's see, I retired in [1986] - that had to be somewhere around [1985]. And then I didn't do - when I retired - I didn't do anything with the lab until I found out there was a termite project still going on here.