All for meetings?

Yes. I think the Laboratory only paid for one trip and that was for a, a busin---see there's international forest products association, I forget the name of it now, but they had their 100th anniversary and that was in Germany and in France. [Pause] And I think that's all I have down here. Yes it is. Any questions?

You know I think that you answered all of our questions last time around.

FPL and the university and the students is quite important. And quite a few of those students went into the wood industry. Either chemical engineers or chemistry, and of course there's other groups here that worked directly with wood. Those (students) had chance to get into the forest products industry too.

Do you keep in touch with any of them?

Not now. No. No when I left here, I didn't want to do things like that. Fact I haven't used a computer since then, my wife does but if I want anything done I have her do it. So well that was real quick and that's about what I had in mind.

Okay, well thank you for...